Short update from ongoing visit to India

On December 25, 2012, in About me, Freedom Team, by Sanjeev Sabhlok

Some of you might know I'm in India at the moment on an unexpected and unplanned visit in the peak holiday season, at very significant personal expense.

The reason was that FTI has been trying to work with all organisations, including Arvind's AAP, but very few have bothered to listen to FTI's message of good governance. But suddenly both IAC and Swami Ramdev were listening.

FTI, based on the classical liberal tradition (which matches very well with India's ancient system of governance outlined in Arthashastra) believes in a minimal role for government. It believes that the government is our night watchman and umpire. Its job is security and justice. These are first order functions.

Thereafter the government can do a few more things if necessary (second order functions): some infrastructure, education for the poor, and health for the poor.

Virtually all other roles are unnecessary but if absolutely required in order to protect security, a light handed regulatory touch can be provided to support citizens in their free enterprises which are conducted responsibly.

The key to freedom is ACCOUNTABILITY. There is no freedom to harm. 

But it is critical that people be allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them. The government should not interfere in ANY social matter unless direct harm is caused to others.

As John Stuart Mill said:

"The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right… The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."

But even JS Mill thought that Indians were not ready for freedom because such freedom requires a minimal level of consciousness. 

I disagree. I believe that the ONLY way to learn is to make mistakes. 

George Bush was a drunkard and alcoholic. Only then did he try to reform himself. After treatment with Alcoholics Anonymous he became a teetotaller. And President of USA. 

Unless a person has committed suicide there is still an opportunity for society to step in and assist him or her in reform. That is the meaning of freedom: the freedom to make mistakes. Only suicide is a problem since it is an IRREVERSIBLE mistake. All other mistakes can be corrected through social action and education. That means that even Indians have the right to learn from their mistakes. To say that they don't have such a right would amount to promoting an Imperial or Colonial or Aristocratic position. Such a position is incompatible with Equal Liberty and democracy.

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I'm here because both Anna's team and Swami Ramdev's team have expressed some desire to engage with FTI. I've been busy talking to both these groups, and have returned from Haridwar only recently (with a plan to visit once again). FTI's goal is to assist India in finding good leaders for ALL elections. Although FTI is very weak at the moment (only about 150 odd members with only about 60-70 active members), and therefore its members can't directly contest elections meaningfully, I'm happy for FTI to work with like minded groups and people.

The only condition to talk to me is one: TOTAL INTEGRITY. Thereafter, we'll talk policy. Thereafter we'll talk strategy. Thereafter FTI can assist or collaborate with other organsations in some form or shape (like we've been doing with Lok Satta – which FTI members are encouraged to join if they wish). Some members of FTI have even joined AAP, but I hope their main goal is to show Arvind Kejriwal and his team the value of liberty (with accountability) and the key role of government.

Baba Ramdev is an excellent gentleman with total integrity and great personal qualities (e.g. humility, intellectual capacity, flexibility). He has appreciated my message of economic liberty through his speech. Indeed, he requested me to even share his platform and speak about my vision for India. That speech was then aired by Aastha channel and I've received tens of emails as a result. 

Two days ago I also shared the platform with him at Jantar Mantar to speak about the basic roles of government – particularly security and justice, which is so weak in in India. I believe we taught our young IAS officers good governance methods at the Academy, and I'd hope that they will all work harder to ensure that, in India.

I've requested my speech to be uploaded on youtube. When that happens, I'll share the link.

I'm 99 per cent convinced that Swami Ramdev is a genuine well wisher of India, and extremely honest. I'm trying to work on a due diligence process so I'm 100 per cent clear.

There are some policy differences but he broadly supports economic liberty. On social matters he is less supportive of liberty, but even there he doesn't see a major role for government.

I'll visit Hardiwar again to ensure that due diligence processes are undertaken that can satisfy me. Only then can I or FTI engage in any collaboration with Swami Ramdev's group. 

Indeed where matters of public interest are involved, we need people who are 100 per cent authentic in every way. Not ONE iota of doubt should be entertained by anyone.

Also, I'm totally convinced that Swami Ramdev is NOT communal, and is dead against the caste system as well. He has thousands of Muslims employed in his social enterprises, and wants ALL Indians to do well.

He also opposes any "Hindu" who engages in violence or destruction of any sort.  Not a fan of BJP is he, and he is fully aware of the significant corruption engaged in by BJP. He believes in the broad Vedic tradition which my father often writes about. I've no issues with Hinduism in the form practiced by my father and mother. I've never heard them speak derogatively of ANY caste or religion, nor heard them even remotely encourage violence against anyone.

I studied in DAV College Jullundur and have no objection to a religious approach that promotes science and modern learning, even as it seeks to preserve its key values.

Such clarity is important before I or FTI can collaborate in any way with Swami Ramdev and his team. I'm becoming increasingly convinced, but will explore further on a second forthcoming visit. 

More later.


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9 Responses to “Short update from ongoing visit to India”

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  3. Rakesh Bhatt says:

    Short update from ongoing visit to India http://t.co/jbqTN753 #aboutme #freedomteam

  4. Jack says:

    Dr. Sabhlok, here’s your speech- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05DKeQp6guo

  5. Shikhar says:

    dear Sanjeev ji,
    नमस्ते !

    it was nice talking to you early morning, though i am a little sad that i wont be able to meet you and discuss directly my queries. nevertheless i will put up my detailed expression regarding the political sphere and involvement of people like me, by creating my blog and and you may respond there.

    i was a little nervous though as i was first time ever talking to an IAS(ex) and hence was less expressive.Thus I wasn’t able to tell you how surprised i was after hearing that ramdevji is now in alignment with liberal economic policies. It was such a sudden shock that i couldn’t grasp it fully for some time!
    reasons are 2.
    1) I heard him on aastha some time ago describing his political philosophy like this
    “we are neither for the मार्क्सवाद लेनिनवाद of russia, nor for the पूंजीवाद of the west”.
    since it was some time back,i don’t clearly remember, but i am pretty sure that he said something to the effect that
    “पूंजीवाद has destroyed the west in terms of spiritual life and had made them victim of all types of lust”.
    he described what he advocate as
    “we are for आध्यात्मवाद in which the governance structure is strongly constrained by the spiritual principles”.
    [note: note that the words here are mine but i assure you that he had said things to this effect when explaining his philosophical position]

    2)he along with rajiv dixit ji (whose sudden death is still a mystery) who was very close to him, and whose opinions and advocacy he had fully and totally endorsed;
    both blamed the foreign MNC’s in particular and globalization in general for many economic problems.(it was in fact him who exposed me 3 years back to the infant industry argument which i used to believe at that time!).
    if you listen to their videos it will seem that for them, to strengthen our economy first thing we MUST do is to reverse the process of globalization.
    their theory that foreign MNC’s are directly undertaking a conspiracy to dominate india (remembering that phase when i used to support those arguments almost embarrass me now! ) is very actively promoted by
    ramdevji the direct implication of which being his call for swadeshi.
    foreign MNC’s are the biggest evil for them after our politicians.

    you might like to see these things a little if you don’t know about them already.
    http://bharat-swabhiman.com/en/indian-products-sold-by-multinationals-in-india/ (not from his official site but his and rajiv dixit ji’s videos assert this)
    they say (in videos) that the foreign companies LOOT/STEAL our wealth when they sell us zero technology products(like toothpaste) which can be manufactured in our country providing employment and wealth to our countrymen-from which they are now deprived due to globalization.

    also from his official site:
    http://www.bharatswabhimantrust.org/bharatswa/en/BST/BharatSwabhiman.aspx

    extract: BHARAT SWABHIMAN – AIMS, MISSION & PRINCIPLES-100 % Voting, 100% Nationalist Thought, 100% Boycott of goods made by foreign companies (MNCs) & replacing them with the use of indigenous goods….

    also:
    http://www.bharatswabhimantrust.org/bharatswa/en/SitePages/ViewNewDetailsinPopUp.aspx?NId=37

    “If 200 lakh crore scams take place under any Prime Minster’s Government then how can you expect that Prime Minister to be honest. The government is involved in all the scams, they sold the country, some of the people within the country are looting the nation and some international firms including MNCs are looting the country,” said Swami Ramdev

    this post of a rajiv ji follower explains how they equate supporting mncs as supporting slavery : http://rajivdixit.krantikari.org/2010/02/working-in-mncs-having-slavery-or-not.html

    you may view this 4 min video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54mkjIR4xc

    something unconnected- according to them the cause of india’s decline is the macaulay education system which replaced gurukul system;and also english education is too slavery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfwWyWsADhs
    American Agent Manmohan Singh And His Globalization Collapsed INDIAN Economy Exposed By Rajiv Dixit

    http://superblog.crazyengineers.com/2012/01/12/globalization-exposed-by-rajiv-dixit-must-read/
    Globalization Exposed By Rajiv Dixit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iRjGj1Im3i4

    Globalisation Good or bad – Explained by Rajiv Dixit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmaVaXcvv2k

    though these are random links, i have heard a lot of him(rajiv ji), so i know fairly well what he said.

    if you want me to filter out videos or material in which rajiv dixit ji had spken against MNC’s and dangers of globalisation, i may try to do so(since i still possess via a close friend a large sum of rajiv ji’s books and DVDs).

    if he has changed his views now, an changed for the better, then its good news. But i believe it must be VERY important for you to CLEARLY clarify weather he has anything at all against free trade.

    regards,
    shikhar

  6. Thanks for sharing this. Good to see your commitment in presenting your case in India.

  7. Priya Shivani says:

    Sanjeev, how about getting into talks on the Verma committee? Do you think that is feasible? Will it work?

  8. Soumik says:

    It was great seeing FTI gaining some hope of gaining strong ground here in the politicial scenario of India.
    Sincerely hope for the best results in the near future,
    With Regards,
    Soumik

  9. Arvind Iyer says:

    Dr. Sabhlok, Quoting you from your earlier article:
    //On yoga I’m happy to listen to Ramdev. On policy, he must try to listen to me.//
    Are you assured and can you assure your readers that your policy concerns are being addressed in the new emerging tie-up, especially on zero-tolerance to prohibitions?

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