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© 2012 Sanjeev Sabhlok's revolutionary blog
I'd like to keep on public record my deep frustration and anger at Islam – a religion that seems to have NO HUMANITY AT ALL.
My comment on Facebook:
I'm sick beyond imagination with these alleged Muslims. If this is what adherents of Islam constantly do, I'm afraid I'm going to have to consider a crusade against Islam itself. I have so far believed that Islam can co-exist with civilisation, and even be a force for good. But I'm getting nauseated, frustrated and sick to the core of my soul with Islam [with the shooting of 14-year-old Malala Yousufzai by Taliban].
I ask all followers of the alleged good Islam to go into Afghanistan/Pakistan and take it over. Arrest these Taliban and related scoundrels. Else I think there is simply no way the world will forgive Islam.
Addendum
Extracts – my further comments on FB:
There is something in Islam that creates pure evil. Most religions have such an impact, but have outgrown these tendencies. Islam is becoming a really evil ideology, and I don't know what to say but to condemn whatever it is in Islam that motivates such vicious, lowly, cowardly, dastardly violence.
All religions have their "bad" parts. All have been hateful. But most have outgrown these things. The problem with Islam seems to be that it is not modernising fast enough. It will be futile and impossible to fight against Islam. It will be far better if Muslim reformers shift the debate. Either way, this whole thing is getting horrendous. Violence and Islam seem to go hand in hand. That's not good.
I am ENTIRELY with Imran when he opposes drones. It is a DEADLY CRIME against humanity to kill thousands of people with drones. And I'm not into politics here, so I don't care what Imran says or doesn't say about the Taliban's shooting little girls.
It is INCORRECT to justify one crime by citing other crimes. I thoroughly oppose ANY attempts of Muslims (or anyone) to justify Taliban's cowardly crimes by citing rapes in Haryana or anywhere else. These are contemptible facts that must be separately analysed and stopped. We are exercised with this issue on FTI and are really angry that Indian governance is so pathetic. We are DOING something to try to fix it. We may be slow but we are sure.
Finally let's not enter into debates re: anything unrelated to this issue here. I want us to demand that these rotten cowards be hanged. I want Islam to redeem itself. It has become increasingly clear to me that Islam has to reinvent itself. In DOF I've outlined many efforts to do so, but mainstream Islam is opposing such efforts. That's the problem: that Islam is unwilling to reform. There is NO reason why it can't be reformed. I totally disagree with Sharad Bailur on this. Turkey is right before our eyes, and the MILLIONS of Muslims in India, who are not engaged in any such thing.
But Pakistan is giving shelter to such criminals. Muslims must speak up with one voice and ask Pakistan to stop supporting Taliban.
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I’m now getting really angry with #Islam. Please stop the Taliban at once. http://t.co/DOLyVenN #currentaffairs
I’m now getting really angry with Islam. Please stop the Taliban at once. http://t.co/eS8zBYed
You weren’t similarly outraged after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_Orissa and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_Karnataka. So why this brouhaha now?
I feel that each religion has its own set of zealots which are indistinguishable from each other. I am reminded of the foll famous quote:
“Men will wrangle for religion; write for it; fight for it; die for it; anything but–live for it.” Charles Caleb Colton
Pathak, why do you make such FALSE allegations against me? Have you read my work? Do you know anything about me?
I’m making a clear case re: Islam now. It must reform. It has plumbed depths virtually unplumbed before.
s
Yes, I have read your work and I am a big fan. I was just trying to point out what I felt was inconsistent with your broad minded approach and impeccable logic.
In this particular post, you say: “Most religions have such an impact, but have outgrown these tendencies…” . When the chief architect of Babri Mosque demolition and the riots which saw women and children being slaughtered mercilessly is sitting pretty and is nurturing ambitions towards becoming the next prime minister of India and when the ruler at the helm of affairs in 2002 during the Gujarat riots is still reaping rich electoral dividends 10 years later, we can not possibly have outgrown the poison of communal hatred. The law may eventually catch up with them but their status as the champions of Hinduism will remain exalted forever in the hearts and minds of their followers. When we have not put these villains behind bars till date, what moral authority do we have to ask people of other religion to put their leaders behind bars?
Further the killings here have been just as gruesome if not worse. To accuse one religion of floundering to unfathomable depths just smacks of prejudice. I feel that religions were designed as a tool for the powerful to perpetuate their hegemony and all religions are but mirror images of each other.
I apologize for having offended you but rest assured it was not my intention to do so. As a policy, I do not voice my objections to anything people write on the web but having read you for such a long time, I felt that sweeping generalizations of this post were at variance with your very cachet. However, I realize I should not have broken that promise to myself.
Kalind
I have no debate with your arguments. Agree 100 per cent re: BJP.
But note that there is a HUGE difference. So long as “religious” people kill adults one can condemn it but not get emotionally super-charged.
The idea that a religion sanctions killing a SMALL GIRL because she raises questions. That is pure evil. Yes, it would appear that Islam is currently the MOST EVIL ideology on earth – if the actions of Taliban are an indicator. I cannot possibly understand this level of evil. It is a deliberate action. And there are threats that if this little girl, Malala, recovers, that she’ll be shot again.
In terms of a ranking of evil, I’d say:
1) Nazism (Hiter)
2) Islam (Taliban)
3) Socialism/Communism (Stalin/Mao)
4) Pseudo-Hinduism (RSS/BJP)
5) Christianity (but that’s now getting under some control).
s
BJP’s Hinduism (pseudo or real is a matter of opinion, not a matter of truth), is not an expansionist ideology like Christianity that talks of harvesting the whole world’s souls (mostly by fraudulent means). BJP may not be a part of this type of ranking. Babri Masjid was built to insult and humiliate Hinduism as the Gyan Vapi mosque at Kashi Vishwanath and the one at Krishna Janmbhumi.
Kishan
I disagree with your characterisation of BJP, of Christianity (today), and of your knowledge and capacity to know the motives of those who built Babri Masjid. These are all matters on which historians and political analysts have many different views.
But none of these debates/ differences are sufficient cause to kill people and break public buildings.
The fact that the RSS-BJP-VHP combine has to date killed thousands of innocent people (regardless of their “reasons”) is sufficient reason for their inclusion among the many evil forces of this world.
Btw, I know for SURE that neither of these forces represents Hinduism (after all, not only was I born Hindu, but my father has spent over a decade studying the Vedas and explaining what’s in them, to me). So I see these as pseudo-Hindu forces. Also, I read about Hinduism quite extensively (as part of my research work) and do not see how any Hindu can behave the way RSS/BJP/VHP do.
s
Generalization such as ‘breaking public buildings’ take you away from the truth. BJP is not in the business of breaking any public building. That you represent the asli Hinduism is also an opinion, not the truth.
Kishan, I’m NOT Hindu. I am just an ordinary human being – which I believe is the greatest “religion” – of love and equality towards all humans.
Btw, since when did Babri Masjid fall down by itself? I didn’t think buildings fall off by themselves suddenly. Clearly it was broken by BJP/VHP. I saw it myself on TV. The kar sevaks, the rath yatra, these didn’t happen? Are you trying to re-write history?
s
Did I say that Babri Masjid fell down on its own suddenly? I don’t think so.
Who broke it?
You know it as anyone else does. They were Hindu karsevaks from many places from many states of India. And you should also know the reason why, that is if you really want to know.
One thing that you may not know is that even people in remote villages of India like my late maternal uncle from a remote Haryana village were inspired by the movement to liberate their one of the most revered deities from the worst humiliation that can be inflicted on an ancient and eternal religion.
“You know it as anyone else does”. Of course. That’s what I said in the beginning.
The RSS/BJP/VHP combine broke it.
There is simply no way that a villager in Haryana is bothered about a mythical temple. I know Haryana well enough, having worked there deep inside villages.
This was an organised racket for pure political gain. Of course, BJP gained a lot. From 2 seats they got quite a bit.
Breaking buildings and killing people is always popular. Hiter did that too, to come to power.
s
Well, sir, if you do not believe what I said about my late maternal uncle (Mama in Hindi), then I have nothing to say. You do not know me personally so you cannot believe that I have seldom lied in my sixty seven years of life.
You are again making an inaccurate statement about breaking buildings. That is the discourse of Nehruvian secularists. It was not ‘any building’ and BJP has not broken just ‘any building’. This generalization is again a Nehruvian tactic.
What you call a racket (again Nehruvian secularist language, I don’t understand why they use such strong foul language, is it because they know that their argument is weak?) was a movement that inspired millions.
Kishan
The Masjid/temple had existed for hundreds of years. There was no movement. Local tension/local issues.
India is too big to be bothered about a building somewhere in some remote corner.
Without RSS/BJP/VHP combine making a concerted effort to rake up this issue for political gain, this building (Masjid/temple) would still have been around. A curiosity. An artefact of India’s mixed history.
Breaking this building was PURELY a political exercise. And in the process thousands were killed.
I can guarantee that your uncle would have not even known about this, without RSS/BJP/VHP determination to gain political mileage. The BJP was fast disappearing from India’s horizon. They needed something vicious to rehabilitate themselves. They were pretty good at that.
Re: “movement that inspired millions”. Well, the millions of India are easily inspired. Look at the recent Hazare-Kejriwal dramas. Not much it takes in India to get millions behind you.
All “movements” need organisers who have an objective. They don’t happen on their own. They need leaders and organisers. BJP ran a beautifully organised campaign to bring kar sevaks to break the building under consideration. They were not driven by any desire to do good for Rama.
Rama doesn’t need BJP/RSS/VJP to live in the hearts of all Indians. This Deepawli, Indians will remember his story without having to refer to his “temple”. Ram has lived in the hearts of Indians for thousands of years, and will continue to do so.
But his name was taken in vain by pseudo-Hindus for their PERSONAL PRIVATE gain.
s
Rama does not need us but you seem to have an objection to why we need Rama. If Nehru had his way he would have tried to do something to obliterate the memory of Rama, that perhaps would be to your liking.
Kishan
Please read what I said. Rama has lived in the HEARTS of Indians for thousands of years and will continue to do so. He doesn’t need BJP to uphold his memory and to be respected. They can take their vicious exploits – to gain personal power in the expense of Rama’s name – elsewhere.
I can’t speak for Rama (don’t even know if he existed or if the story is a myth), but this much I know about Hinduism: that Rama would have been APPALLED at the misuse of his name to break buildings and to kill people.
Ram Rajya requires law and order, and peace.
BJP are ENEMIES of law and order and peace.
In every heart of Hindus there is a temple to Rama. A mere building with bricks and mortar does not represent Rama, any more than Gandhi is represented by his samadhi. If you don’t understand Gandhi, no amount of bowing your head to his samadhi can help.
On the one hand are Hindus who talk about Vedanta. Those I respect. Then are these OBNOXIOUS VIOLENT CRIMINALS who break buildings and kill people. These I despise with all my might.
s
Sir, you have used the phrase ‘breaking buildings’ many times in this exchange. You don’t want to climb down from your secularist perch, I have no issue with that. Truth will remain truth and cannot be obliterated by any amount of smoke screening like ‘enemies of law and order’.
Kishan,
This is my blog, hence I get the last word. The reality is that there is simply no reason to BREAK a building. That is illegal. It is quite a different matter to BUY that land/building. I advocate this solution: that government get out of most old buildings by selling them (particularly those with “religious” connotations). Then whoever buys can sell to whoever wants to further buy. I’m sure BJP could have bought the building from a few indifferent Muslims instead of breaking it, had this option existed.
Now, my understanding is that (a) God created the universe (assuming there is God), and (b) All of India is sacred to Hindus (Matribhumi).
Rama (if he exists/existed) OWNED the universe. His “birth” is as meaningless as saying that God is born. God is eternal, never born. So all parts of the universe, including YOUR heart are temples of God. Vedanta says you and God are one. So why bother about a plot of land and some mud bricks?
The fact that people bother about bricks, and are willing to kill REAL PEOPLE in that process tells me that these are dangerous aspects of religion. That is one reason why I’m NOT Hindu. I’m nothing. Just a human.
To anyone who likes to destroy buildings in the name of God or “truth”, let me say respectfully that you don’t understand even the BASICS about God or the truth. Search for God within. Not in a block of mud.
This – by the way – is the last word on this topic. I will not publish any more discussion from you, whether you are convinced about what I’m saying or not.
s