Sandeepweb and his coterie that unfortunately can’t think beyond Narendra Modi

On March 7, 2012, in India, Politics, by Sanjeev Sabhlok

I'm posting below an exchange on Twitter earlier today.

From such exchanges (which are not uncommon) it is clear why India continues to suffers poor governance. Because many of its "educated" people have simply shut their mind and become blind followers of either Rahul Gandhi or Narendra Modi. Refusing to ask any question, refusing to grow up into leaders, these petty sheep who blindly follow our CORRUPT incompetent "leaders" are the bane of India.

To these "educated" Indians the idea that THEY themselves are expected to lead, and demonstrate far higher leadership than these corrupt mediocrities who govern India doesn't ring a bell. I'm challenging them to become leaders, and they INSIST on being sheep.

I do hope that these "educated" Indians will – finally, one day – grow up enough so that they can take charge of their own country's destiny and create a GREAT India for all of us, instead of relying on UTTERLY corrupt and incompetent men like Narendra Modi or Rahul Gandhi who continue to RUIN India.

We are looking for FRESH leadership. Not the same old N Modis and Rahul Gandhis whose shirts are drenched in the blood of innocents, and from whose body the stench of loot and corruption rises for miles wherever they go.

Amit Malviya ‏ @malviyamit

@sabhlok People of Gujarat have decided in the past and will again decide in 2012 and may be people of India in 2014.

Sandeep Web ‏ @SandeepWeb

@malviyamit Who's this person? @sabhlok

Red Devil ‏ @Ranger98806

@SandeepWeb @malviyamit @sabhlok Wrote a book "Breaking Free of Nehru" on econ reforms, Ayn Rand fan who hates the sight of Modi

Sandeep Web ‏ @SandeepWeb

@Ranger98806 Oh! THAT Sabhlok? @malviyamit @sabhlok

[Ad hominem]

Red Devil ‏ @Ranger98806

@SandeepWeb @malviyamit @sabhlok Yeah.Self-proclaimed super-intellectual who is going to singlehandedly change India with sheer brain power.

[Ad hominem]

Sanjeev Sabhlok ‏ @sabhlok

@Ranger98806 @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Indeed, do try to read BFN and understand how India can be reformed. Pre-judgement is a sign of folly.

Sandeep Web ‏ @SandeepWeb

@sabhlok I've read the book. I also read your blog almost entirely. Not at all prejudging. @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

Sanjeev Sabhlok ‏ @sabhlok

@SandeepWeb @Ranger98806 @malviyamit Thanks. Haven't come across any comments/questions. Do you prefer slavery to liberty, hatred to peace?

Red Devil ‏ @Ranger98806

@sabhlok @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Sirji, I only want Narendrabhai to become the prime minister of our country. Thank you very much.

Sanjeev Sabhlok ‏ @sabhlok

@Ranger98806 @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Why Modi? Is that the highest standard of quality that India can offer? I think there are 10000 better.

Red Devil ‏ @Ranger98806

@sabhlok @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Name one.

Sanjeev Sabhlok ‏ @sabhlok

@Ranger98806 @SandeepWeb @malviyamit All FTI members are 100 times better. You, too, might be better. Or are you corrupt/incompetent?

[My point: why bother about the RIDICULOUSLY low standard set by people like Modi. YOU might be better!! That's what we want - new, good leaders.]

Sandeep Web ‏ @SandeepWeb

@sabhlok Whoa! can't believe you even asked that kind of question? what Arre you? some Judge of Morality? @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

[Watch the ad hominem emerge, instead of addressing the question]

Sanjeev Sabhlok ‏ @sabhlok

@SandeepWeb @Ranger98806 @malviyamit The truth is that there far better leaders than Modi. But only corruption wins today. Are you better?

SandeepWeb:

@sabhlok What gives you the arrogance to ask questions like "are you better" to complete strangers? @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

[Again, not addressing the question, attack on my alleged "arrogance"]

sabhlok:

@SandeepWeb @Ranger98806 @malviyamit If you are better, then please consider joining FTI. If you are equal or worse to Modi, pl. stay away.

SandeepWeb:

@sabhlok Wow! Seriously, you need to see a shrink. @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

[Ad hominem. TOTAL lack of ability to engage in rational conversation]

Ranger98806:

@SandeepWeb @sabhlok @malviyamit Mr.Sabhlok's attitude is typical of most hardcore commies..only they worship Marx,he worships A.Rand.

[Amusing ad hominem, comparing me with "commies" - still attacking the person, not answering a SINGLE question]

SandeepWeb:

This Sabhlok guy suffers from severe self-delusions. How does he assume that everybody is dying to join FTI or whatever.

[Ad hominem trying to masquerade as argument]

Ranger98806:

@SandeepWeb @sabhlok @malviyamit The condition is called "megalomania"….

[Ad hominem]

sabhlok:

@Ranger98806 @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Self respect and liberty, sir. That is something you might need to learn about. Someday, perhaps?…

[Now I'm feeling pity for these people who seem to be so blind in their following of Narendra Modi that they don't seem to have any self-respect and pride as individual human beings]

SandeepWeb:

@sabhlok I know what I know. I don't need you to tell me what I should learn or not. Get your head checked pls. @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

[The usual ad hominem]

sabhlok:

@Ranger98806 @SandeepWeb @malviyamit Only those with self-respect need apply to FTI. Bootlickers of corrupt/criminal please go elsewhere.

[General principle that only leaders are wanted. If you are a BLIND follower of any other human being, please don't come near me!]

Ranger98806:

@sabhlok thinks he is A.Rand and the rest of the world is divided into either his groupies or "looters and moochers".@SandeepWeb

[Ad hominem]

SandeepWeb:

@sabhlok Don't you have any shame? I asked you to STOP talking to me. Go & peddle your FTI crap to idiots. @Ranger98806 @malviyamit

[Now attacking all those who join FTI, as if these Sandeepweb is particularly wise and others, who THINKING FOR THEMSELVES, choose to join FTI, are idiots]

sabhlok:

@SandeepWeb @Ranger98806 @malviyamit I'm afraid you are the typical sheep that the "educated" of India have become. Grow up and then talk.

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24 Responses to “Sandeepweb and his coterie that unfortunately can’t think beyond Narendra Modi”

All Indian Blogs says:

March 7, 2012 at 10:27 am

Sandeepweb and his coterie that unfortunately can’t think beyond Narendra Modi http://t.co/ZwRkQ6JQ
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 7, 2012 at 10:27 am

Sandeepweb and his coterie that unfortunately can’t think beyond Narendra Modi http://t.co/gQtMwZ7N #india
Payal Upadhyay says:

March 7, 2012 at 10:43 am

Sandeepweb and his coterie that unfortunately can’t think beyond Narendra Modi http://t.co/gQtMwZ7N #india
sachin kundu says:

March 8, 2012 at 3:13 am

You are wasting your time Sanjeev.

Internet is full of trolls, who would argue all day long and the argument is for arguing not for discussing. So all they do is make personal attacks as you notice.

Internet is the best medium available to us, but don’t waste a single second on the trolls.

Not worth it.
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 8, 2012 at 7:10 am

Dear Sachin

I don’t go hunting for anyone, but when people start pushing their ill-formed views on my twitter account, I do try to engage in conversation. I have not lost hope for anyone. Everyone can ultimately understand that 1+1 =2. Just that it takes some people more time to understand simple things since they’ve clouded their mind.

And no, I’m not afraid of (nor bothered about) ad hominem attacks. It is an opportunity to nudge the attacker towards a more sensible debate by pointing out that such attacks aren’t sticking.

s
Sandeep Web says:

March 8, 2012 at 10:49 am

ROFLMAO! Sandeepweb and his coeterie! http://t.co/wTXICgYb This Sabhlok guy has truly honoured me.
Suresh Nakhua says:

March 8, 2012 at 10:59 am

Rofl RT @SandeepWeb: ROFLMAO! Sandeepweb and his coeterie! http://t.co/3x2elMBl This Sabhlok guy has truly honoured me.
Ravi Ghiyar says:

March 8, 2012 at 11:00 am

enjoyed thoroughly! :D “@SandeepWeb: ROFLMAO! Sandeepweb and his coeterie! http://t.co/xPlZOCuu This Sabhlok guy has truly honoured me.”
Jiggs says:

March 8, 2012 at 11:20 am

Indeed ROFLMAO RT@SandeepWeb: ROFLMAO! Sandeepweb and his coeterie! http://t.co/jy9stzHb This Sabhlok guy has truly honoured me.
Prasanna Viswanathan says:

March 8, 2012 at 11:33 am

Sabhlok is an idealist unfortunately idealism needs to be tempered with pragmatism else confines good folk to fringe. http://t.co/phYT9qFb
time seek says:

March 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm

Sabhlok is an idealist unfortunately idealism needs to be tempered with pragmatism else confines good folk to fringe. http://t.co/phYT9qFb
Sachin Kundu says:

March 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm

Sabhlok is an idealist unfortunately idealism needs to be tempered with pragmatism else confines good folk to fringe. http://t.co/phYT9qFb
shree says:

March 8, 2012 at 10:04 pm

My questions to you,

1. You have just added RG’s name with NM, just to show you equally hate both or just that RG is currently not the pick of the name after UP debacle ?

2. u name both RG and NM and then say – corrupt and incompetent leaders – but that applies to RG only….you do not know how to MIX things…work in a local bar for few days…you will learn…

3. u blame the educated indians generically, under what category u come? please specify.

4. are u a leader by any chance(OMG…i dont think so), then what is your qualification or achievement to pose a challenge like this ??

5. U tell us to become leaders and not hseep and then say u are looking for fresh leadership…..why, u only become the leader…

6. At least show one instance where NM is proven corrupt or guilty?

if you bark like this….no problem…but u will forget to bite when necessary :-)
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

Dear Shree

Modi is COMPLETELY IMMERSED in corruption, just like MMS is. It is simply impossible to comply with electoral funding limits honestly. ALL major parties spend 10s of times more than the electoral limit. All black money. Modi is no saint. His BJP is corrupt to the CORE.

s
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 8, 2012 at 10:53 pm

From FB:

Srinivas Sridhara:
‎Sanjeev Sabhlok, you are a good man with right ideas. Please do not waste your time with these people unless they are ready for civil debate and discussion.

I too have tried to question Narendra Modi supporters and have been criticized for not seeing what a great leader he is.

The conclusion they draw is that if you do not support Modi then you are an anti-Hindu secular traitor.

A note to all FTI members, please be very careful what you say to these fake patriots and “right wingers”. These are big govt loving statists. They will hate to admit it and call us Ayn Rand worshippers.

Heck I am not even a fan of Rand and I get called anti-Hindu. Imagine I advocate for a classical Hindu valaues based society and I get called anti-Hindu!

Sanjeev Sabhlok:
Srinivas, I know what you are saying is probably right. But the reality is that we have no choice but to pierce through the veil of ignorance of these people. That means challenging them, and being ready to face cheap strategies (ad hominem attacks).

Fortunately, after due diligence, some such people DO become willing to listen and will come over. Unless we can “convert” these misguided people there is no chance of winning the mandate to govern India. Millions of supporters are needed. Every “conversion” matters.

Mithun Dutta:
I know.. even I get into ugly debates.. most just argue for the heck of it.. But I cannot take that to be a set back… We’ll encounter resistance and we have to put on our resistance and persistently spread the message..

Srinivas Sridhara:
‎Sanjeev Sabhlok I agree that we need to talk everyone however the approach should vary. You must understand that someone like Modi is a Machiavellian statesman. He has quietly built a massive electoral base. Do you know that he will become the PM if you use popular vote?

The biggest problem is these “patriotic Hindus” are beginning to maintain a monopoly over the idea of patriotism and nationalism. I warned about this in my post in this group about the closing of the Indian mind.

I am not sure how many young Hindus you have met in India from the middle class and I can tell you many are turning to the far right. When I say far right, the typical Hindutvadi line.

This is bad news for the country. The last thing we need is a reactionary right wing. This is exactly the reason I keep insisting that we need a truly educated civic populace who understand rights and duties.

Sanjeev Sabhlok:
Well, we have to out-Modi Modi. This is a real life struggle in which even many “liberals” have become full-blown supporters of Modi. They too have lost the foundational principles of liberalism (being tolerance and freedom for all).

Ashish Deodhar:
You’re bang on Srinivas. These Hindutvawadis are the biggest threat to Indian civilisation. They claim to defend Indian culture from foreign ideologies, forgetting that a monolithic cultural identity was never a part of the Indian civilisation and the term ‘Hindu’ was imposed on India by those who didn’t understand the Indian way of life.
chandra says:

March 8, 2012 at 11:14 pm

I did not find any logic in your argument. All you keep saying is FTN members are 100 times better. Show me one FTN member who has done anything that makes a difference to this country. If you are such a patriot why are you living outside this country? If you are a true leader, you should be here right here in India and fight for your ideals and values. Jayaprakash Narayan is a much better(10000 times) better than you. He is accomodating and takes other’s views into consideration. Unless you who are like everyone else except FTN members are corrupt and criminals…
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 8, 2012 at 11:33 pm

Sure, Chandra, you are right. You can’t find the logic of my comments because we are talking about Twitter, not a book. I’m pleased that you are different from the mindless sheep, and are genuinely interested in learning.

Assuming you are serious about finding out the logic, please do read (a) BFN – http://bfn.sabhlokcity.com/ and (b) FTI’s website: http://freedomteam.in/. Thereafter please consider whether YOU are fit to lead India.

And yes, JP (an FTI member, for all practical purposes) is an excellent leader.

Re: me, I’m sorry, but I refuse to return to India till India needs me. I haven’t seen much evidence of that, yet. What will I do alone in this vast nation? This is a journey on which ALL good people have to join. Let the base camp (1500 leaders) assemble, and let the current work be completed, so that the people get a GENUINE choice of good leaders.

Please, once you’ve understood what I’m talking about, also either join or support FTI. That is my challenge for the educated people of India: THROW AWAY YOUR SHACKLES.

s
chandra says:

March 9, 2012 at 2:50 am

sir, with due respect. A leader is someone who will make things happen and will not wait for them to happen. You seem to be waiting for something to happen before you step in. Imagine if Gandhi had said, what will I do alone in this vast nation. With true leaders, they take ownership and make things happen. I frankly dont see that with you. Hence it’s not going to be worth my time to read through BFN book. Thanks anyway and good luck for your initiative.
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 9, 2012 at 7:13 am

No problem, Chandra. You are welcome to your views.

Let me just ask how does a leader lead an expedition to Mt. Everest? The climb takes just a week or so. Is it possible for that “leader” to just get up one fine day, automatically get the resources and people, and just climb within one week?

I’m looking for leaders as a first step. The base camp, Chandra. Let there be a base camp. Let India show that it has leaders.

And so if you still aren’t willing to read BFN and even understand the causes of India’s problems, please be sure these problems will continue well after you are dead and gone. YOU need to wake up, Chandra. That’s my first step.

s
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 9, 2012 at 8:49 pm

ALSO FROM FACEBOOK:

Srinivas Sridhara:
‎Bilandani Laxman I don’t think anyone here is anti-Hindu. I am a traditionalist Hindu yet a libertarian and anarcho-capitalist. Liberty and capitalism are compatible philosophies with Sanatana Dharma.

However, Hindutvadis tend to be quite narrow minded and that is exactly what this discussion is about.

Good news folks, I met a conservative Hindu today and he seemed to be very much sympathetic for liberty and free markets but a little hesitant. I think Hindutvadis can easily be explained the concepts of liberty and capitalism atleast the ones from the educated middle class.

On a closing note, Narendra Modi is lesser of two evils but why choose evil at all?
Sunil says:

March 13, 2012 at 3:18 am

Why choose evil at all? Because the lesser evil can defeat the bigger evil and my fight with a lesser evil is easier. As thing stand today FTI is very far from attaining the capability to fight any form of evil. In the interim the country must make some progress, so supporting the lesser evil makes practical political sense and philosophically similar (not same) to Taqiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya) practiced by Islamists.
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 13, 2012 at 7:22 am

Sunil

That’s a different standard of integrity to what I believe in. But then, when choosing evil, let people boldly declare that Modi is evil but they prefer him to other, worse evils (or vice versa).

The idea of swooning and falling head over heels over such third rate people doesn’t make sense.

And yes, if Mother India doesn’t produce good people/leaders, then FTI won’t go far. But that’s not proven yet.

s
Sunil says:

March 14, 2012 at 4:22 am

Sandeep, Its not a question of integrity. its a question of strategy. If we need 300+ FTI leaders in lok sabha it may take 50 years. But I cannot tolerate the country be raped and enslaved thru freebies and entitlement driven governments during this period. The only current politician who is not offering that is NaMo
Sanjeev Sabhlok says:

March 14, 2012 at 7:11 am

I suppose you are referring to me, Sunil (not “Sandeep”).

I’m afraid you ARE “tolerating the country being raped, etc.”.

NaMo IS NOT THE ONE!!! He has not shown the capacity to offer ANY cogent theory of state, or why he wants power. All he wants is a Hindutva state. That’s the closest he has gone in terms of articulating a political philosophy.

It is therefore a matter of MANY things – integrity, philosophy, even capacity, although I do agree he is a relatively better choice than any EXISTING bunch of ‘leaders’ (which I’ve repeatedly said elsewhere).

However, such a low level of leadership doesn’t interest me. Let me say that Modi will never qualify to be member of FTI.

Now, the other issue: does Mother India produce leaders? That’s for YOU to answer, Sunil, not me.

I’m definitely one. Whether there are others – please speak only for yourself, and if you are not a leader then hold your peace. OK?

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