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I received a comment from Debjit Dutta a research scientist in Columbia University and an IIT Delhi postgraduate in chemistry [eg. this]. Most of his comment was an ad homimen attack, so I've deleted the comment.
However, there are bits of it which go to illustrate the point I made about how difficult it is for "scientists" and "engineers" to understand society and economics.
Debjit Dutta started off his comment by an ad hominem attack: "Mr. Sabhlok, you know nothing about RSS."
Now, that's truly absurd! I've lived in India for nearly 40 years. I've been a senior administrator, managing law and order and a host of other issues at the district and state levels. I've read innumerable documents about RSS and its founders, both academic and journalistic. I've published, after spending nearly 10 hours of research, perhaps the most comprehensive compilation of academic and other authentic views on RSS available on the internet. Nothing that I can find is flattering to RSS. I can't possibly know EVERYTHING about RSS or any other organisation, but surely it is nonsense to suggest that I know nothing.
I trash ad hominem comments. If people can't stick the point and offer evidence, then they are not fit to discuss issues with me.
Dutta has done IIT Delhi (and Columbia University) great disservice by lowering my image about these institutions. If the graduates of these institutions – supposedly the best in the world – can't display a basic ability to debate issues (not people), then what do they teach there? While Dutta is a scientist in theory, he doesn't yet understand the BASIC meaning of science – that it is a search for the truth.
After that he goes on to make FALSE assertions about the RSS.
I am a proud volunteer of RSS and a research scientist in Columbia University and an IIT graduate. RSS is not against any religion or liberty as per say and has the sole motto of putting India before anything else.
It is totally incorrect to suggest that RSS is not against any religion or liberty.
Mr Dutta is well advised to READ the works of Golwalkar and the founders of RSS (that I've cited in the blog post cited above) and not spout pure falsehoods out of sheer ignorance. People like Gowalkar were determined to eradicate Muslims from India. To suggest that RSS is not anti-liberty is such a joke, given the repeated evidence I've offered about the Sangha Parivar.
And no, RSS does not have the "sole motto" of putting India before anything else. First I'd be concerned with any ideology that puts the NATION before the INDIVIDUAL. But leaving that aside, it is clear that RSS puts HINDUS (a particular brand of Hindus), above the nation. They are willing to break up NATIONAL MONUMENTS (e.g. Babri Masjid) and create civil war (communal riots) in order to allegedly promote "Hinduism". But RSS doesn't understand Hinduism. It wants a monoculture, whereas there is no such monoculture in the real Hinduism. RSS opposes, for instance, any discussion about multiple Ramayanas. ONLY one Ramanaya is acceptable to the RSS. And so on.
Dutta clearly not studied the facts and has allowed his biases to take over. Studying chemistry is easy, Dutta. Becoming a scientist is hard. Just calling yourself a research "scientist" doesn't make you one.
Finally, and here's the nub of the issue. Dutta states:
China is a major threat in our borders and the whole point of the article was to make the people aware of it. I know it is a very idealistic situation to ban Chinese products and it is not going to happen but at least we can try to make ourselves self sufficient in the process. RSS is not asking to block free trade with any other countries which does not pose any threat to India. Also please do not make any comments on the quality of Chinese products. That only shows your ignorance about reality.
Now, this is the key point I was making – and it is simply re-confirmed. The argument that India can ever by (or should try to be) self-sufficient is simply wrong. That was my point. And I've also said that our "brightest" children study engineering and science as a result of which these people become almost COMPLETELY incapable of understanding basic economics. It takes sheer genius to be a "scientist" AND economist.
I won't repeat Adam Smith or even my own book, here. Dutta. Just a suggestion that you may wish to cast off your DEEP biases and prejudices, and start reading basic economics. And don't comment on my level of knowledge. You don't know virtually anything about me. When you find out you might change your mind. You might want to begin with BFN.
Let me clarify again: RSS will DEGRADE and DESTROY India. It is only liberty that will RELEASE INDIA's potential. Follow the path of liberty, Debjit!
(Note: I've deleted one third of Dutta's comment (in the extract above) being of a deplorable ad hominen character. Mr Dutta – I trust you and I can discuss issues as competent free adults in the future. I don't need to hear your personal views about me. Stick to the point else your comments will be TRASHED as they well deserve to be.)
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sir
i am just ordinary indian living a normal middle class economic life with no say whatsoever in the matter relating to indian issues except a vote one in a few years, my question is who is a real true iindian
who decides who is an INDIAN IST IT BIRTH, RELIGION, CONSTITUTION IDEA POCITICAL FOLLOWING GEOGRAPHICAL LIMIT WHATIS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH WHO CAN BE CALLED TRUE INDIAN IS IT GHANDIJI NEHRU DYNASTY RSS POLICITICAL PARTIES OR JUST THE UNKNOWN HUMAN BEING BORN LIVE AND PERISH WITHININ IN POLICTICALLY CORRECT GEOGRAPHY LIMITS OF INDIA undert the constitutuion and follow the rules of the country as laid down
or is it just an intellectual exercise
Dear Sabhlok,
Let us know there are innumerable people in India like Debjit Dutta in India and world around. May be they are in majority. They are good at heart even though they do not understand the basics of Economics or anything for that matter in our view. We need the support of such intellectuals. They have to be faced systematically say in their own terms and language which is the need of the our. If not so, hardly no difference would be between they and we. One attacks second re-attacks. No purpose served.
I mean they should be challenged intellectually, reasoned well, questioned and turned around our way. Let us start to speak in their own language and in the process we will teach them our own language.
Your tone of response hardly differs from that of Dutta when tasted. Let us challenge them cool. Such responses are likely to drive the majority or commoners away from our goal. This doesn't sympathies with Dutta in any way except the mode of approach. The weakness of RSS is likely to be its philosophy. Let us attack it intellectually.
Sorry I myself have responded to him instead of putting it before you so and should have acted (I will be doing subsequently) on my own. Still thought it relevant. Sorry for preaching and acting least. Expect this should moderate the issue between RSS and FTI.
Dear Sanjeevji,
There is one easy way to counter the arguments of most of these so called highly educated; just ask them what books they have read and what is their source of information. What I have experienced is that most of these people are not at all into reading; and unfortunately this is the case with most our fellow compatriots.
Jai Hind.
Dear Ramesh
On this blog I do not speak for FTI but for myself. FTI has no position on RSS. That has been clarified internally. I’m still concerned about RSS’s continued anti-liberty stance so I speak up.
I agree I’ve been pretty blunt with Debjit. He is a young man who without understanding what I’m saying has attacked me vigorously in his email. I’ve not published that bit. It is such “educated” people who do not examine their assumptions but jump to conclusions that are harming India.
I have tried to debate with such people but they generally are incapable of discussing issues. They are servile, and will disappear without trace, serving their foreign masters (trust me, Debjit Dutta will settle down in USA and serve foreign masters without trying to find out why USA is so much richer and better in many ways than India).
Let’s not worry about Debjit and his ilk, who are most likely not going to return to India. Let’s talk about those who live in India and discuss why they believe that an anti-liberty group called RSS can in any help India. Unfortunately, most followers of RSS do not have the (mental?) ability to discuss and debate issues. I have no choice but to pin these fanatics down who imagine that they are the great defenders of India. They are NOT defending but ruining India.
S
Good point, Anil
I wish Debjit (or others who are so fond of the anti-liberty RSS) will explain what is it about what I say that bothers them. I’m saying that the policies of liberty will make India very rich. Are they against India becoming rich? I’m saying we need strong defence. Are they against India becoming a strong nation? I’m saying there should be religious freedom. Are they against that?
Their confused mind is unable to examine the reasons why India has performed SO BADLY over the past 60 years even after independence.
Why is Debjit Dutta studying in Columbia? Why not in India? Because we have blocked the growth of good private universities. Which books did he read while in IIT? How many were written by Indians? Why is it that Indians with 1/6th of the world’s population write only 1/100th of the world’s leading textbooks and papers? He doesn’t ask that but wants me to somehow sing praise for the medieval ideas of RSS.
S
Sanjeev, you seem to have a dual personality. You want to break free of Nehru (I have read BFN) but tenaciously cling to his ideas of looking down on anything that even remotely relates to Hindus or Hinduism or even Indian. You ran away from India and giving sermons from far off Australia. In this respect I rather admire your father (I have met him once at a talk by Shantanu at IIT Delhi) who is doing his bit for the Hindu society.Nehru was a pucca Sahib like you who hated ("shabby and filthy") Indians. Your hate for RSS and BJP is typically Nehruvian.
Regarding RSS you are sticking to the line given you when you were an IAS officer, that RSS is anti-national, communal, jingoist, fascist and everything that is bad in India.The reality is that the world has changed a lot since Golwalkar. RSS also is trying to change, it has to if it wants to survive. You may know but may not want to acknowledge that RSS volunteers are among the first to reach any site of disaster like a train accident or earthquake or floods, to help.
There is definitely an anti-Muslim bias in RSS but that has to do with the history of subjugation of the once prosperous Hindus and atrocities inflicted on them for centuries. And that does not mean RSS wants to wipe out Muslims from India. But it does want them to acknowledge their Hindu past, which they steadfastly refuse to do. They object to even Vande Mataram and Bharat Mata.
Kishan
I oppose all religions equally, but have critically analysed and determined that there are some good things in all religions, including Hinduism. I expect the following from any Hindu:
a) Desire to seek the truth: satyameva jayate
b) Desire for liberty – being the clarion call of Vivekananda and many other Hindus. Many of them also clearly advocate capitalism and oppose socialism.
c) Tolerance. I’m told Hinduism is a tolerant religion.
I find NONE of these characteristics in BJP/RSS. That’s why I call them fake Hindus. I respect a lot of Hindus and have indeed been spreading their message (e.g. Swami Suddhananda, Swami Vivekananda, and my father’s views on science in the Vedas – and many others). But I haven’t found a SINGLE respect-worthy Hindu leader in the BJP/RSS/Sangha Parivar.
I have also critically exposed (at great length) the anti-liberty ideas of the founding leaders of RSS and BJP. All of these people oppose liberty. They are statists, don’t understand basic economics and are extremely intolerant. In my view they do not represent the good elements of Hinduism that I’m willing to accept.
It won’t do to say that RSS is a “social service” organisation. It is not. It has a clear political agenda. Why don’t the RSS folk (if they are so social minded) join World Vision (a Christian charity) or some Muslim charity? Because they have a RELIGIOUS goal.
Unfortunately none of the points you make entitle you to make the ad hominem attacks on me that you’ve started your email with. To suggest that I “ran away from India” is such UTTER NONSENSE that I would normally have deleted your email instantly.
But the reality is that I have to engage with people like you and CHANGE people like you in order to change India. So I have responded. I don’t know if it will make any difference to your pre-conceived views about the world.
S
Namaste Sabhlok Ji,
…[ad hominem discussion deleted]
when RSS volunteers serve people in disaster situation they do not ask for their religion first. There is a good number of Muslim swayamsevaks (Rashtriya Muslim Manch) in RSS too.
If RSS was against Islam they would not have been there. I might not know much about you but at the same time you also know nothing about me. So you have no right to make statements like I have not read books or materials written by Guru Ji Golwalkar or any other senior Sangh personality. To know an organization better you have to be a part of it too.
If promoting and establishing Hinduism was the sole motto then Babri Masjid will not be only structure that would have been demolished. There are countless masjids which have been built after destroying temples.
Many shakhas outside India actually take place in churches.
So please do not comment on Sangh being anti-liberal.
If you have spoken to swayamsevaks or karyakartas face to face or have visited a shakha you might have known better.
Sometime personal experiences teach more than just reading a book.
In my post I also said that banning Chinese goods is not a practical solution and is only an awareness step towards making India self sufficient which you omitted in your response.
[...unnecessary personal comment deleted]
-Jai Hind
Dear Debjit
Thanks for your response. I’ve deleted comments of a personal nature. We are discussing issues. The question is: Is RSS a good thing or bad thing for India? And my view is that it is not a good thing. You are saying it is. Then prove it. Don’t attack me. I’ve got an opinion, don’t question my knowledge/motives but my facts.
I’m not denying that RSS is trying to change its image but for those who understand its underlying philosophy, it is impossible to reconcile its “welfare” actions with the truth about its origin – in DEEP HATRED towards the Muslims.
You claim to have read Golwalkar. Happy to come across such a learned person.
Then please explain these statements. And also explain the MANY aggressive actions of RSS and Sangha Parivar.
A) FROM WE, OR OUR NATIONHOOD DEFINED BY GOLWALKAR
These are a few extracts from Golwalkar cited in Bipin Chandra, India’s Struggle for Independence, New Delhi: Penguin, 1989, p.437-38.
* “If the minority demands were accepted, ‘Hindu National life runs the risk of being shattered.’”
* In the book Golwalkar attacked Congress for ‘hugging to our bosom our most inveterate enemies (Muslims) and thus endangering our very existence.’”
* “Condemning the Congress, Gowalkar wrote: ‘We have allowed ourselves to be duped into believing our foes to be our friends… That is the real danger of the day, our self-forgetfulness, our believing our old and bitter enemies to be our friends.’”
* “To Muslims and other religious minorities, Golwalkar gave the following advice: ‘The non-Hindu peoples in Hindusthan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and hold in reverence Hindu religion, must entertain no ideas but those of glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e. they must not only give up their attitude of intolerance and ungratefulness towards this land and its age long traditions but must also cultivate the positive attitude of love and devotion instead – in one word, they must cease to be foreigners, or may stay stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment – not even citizen’s rights.’”
* He wrote, ‘We Hindus are at war at once with the Muslims on the one hand and British on the other.’
* He wrote that like with Italy and Germany ‘Even so with us: our Race spirit has once again roused itself,’ thus giving Hindus the right of excommunicating Muslims.”
B) FROM ‘A BUNCH OF THOUGHTS’ (1947: 1966 edition) BY GOLWALKAR
* Gowalkar accused “Congress leaders … of asking Hindus ‘to submit meekly to the vandalism and atrocities of the Muslims’ and of telling the Hindu ‘that he was imbecile, that he had no spirit, no stamina to stand on his own legs and fight for the independence of his motherland and that all this had to be injected into him in the form of Muslim blood’.”
* “[H]e said in 1947, pointing his finger at Gandhiji: ‘Those who declared “No Swaraj without Hindu-Muslim unity” have thus perpetrated the greatest treason on our society. They have committed the most heinous sin of killing the life-spirit of a great and ancient people.’”
* “He accused Gandhiji of having declared: ‘There is no Swaraj without Hindu-Muslim unity and the simplest way in which this unity can be achieved is for all the Hindus to become Muslims.’” [Note:This was clearly a most blatant and gratuitous lie.]
Debjit : This comes from a convert (one who has been a Sanghi, attended Shakhas regularly and then had the good fortune of having an open mind and being exposed to several aspects of humanity through great works of art which are considered anathema to Sangh culture and are forbidden as sins by the Sangh). I'll respond to your comment point by point.
"when RSS volunteers serve people in disaster situation they do not ask for their religion first. There is a good number of Muslim swayamsevaks (Rashtriya Muslim Manch) in RSS too. If RSS was against Islam they would not have been there."
The mere presence of Muslims in its ranks doesn't make the Sangh any less anti-Muslim. To quote a relevant example from mythology, just because Vibhishana was in the ranks of Rama's army, Rama didn't become an ally of Lanka. And I'm not referring to Vibhishana as the "gaddar" that he's commonly referred to in folklore. I see it from a different perspective. There are several Muslims disillusioned by Islam's medieval mores and its a common tendency of human beings to see the enemy's enemy as a friend.
Also, what's the percentage of Muslims in the RSS ranks? Scientifically, do you think such a minuscule percentage can be used as evidence to make claims on the ideological leanings of the RSS?
"To know an organization better you have to be a part of it too."
That again is a very unscientific observation. If that was the case, anthropology and archeology would've been fraud subjects, isn't it?
"If promoting and establishing Hinduism was the sole motto then Babri Masjid will not be only structure that would have been demolished. There are countless masjids which have been built after destroying temples."
Are you telling us that the RSS doesn't have similar plans for Mathura, Varanasi & Hubli, amongst other places? Maybe you might want to check with RSS/BJP leaders who have frequently made public statements about these places.
"Many shakhas outside India actually take place in churches."
I'd attribute that to the lack of other viable venues. I'd be glad to know of an RSS Shakha in India being held in say….a masjid?
"So please do not comment on Sangh being anti-liberal."
I'll speak for myself. I'll stop commenting thus the day one can present me with credible evidence that proves my personal experience with RSS as an exception than the norm.
"If you have spoken to swayamsevaks or karyakartas face to face or have visited a shakha you might have known better."
Having attended Shakhas vigorously for a few months, I think I qualify as one who knows better. A few tidbits I've been subject to during my interaction with the Shakhas & sanghis.
(a) "Muslims are the reason behind our population explosion. Their motto is Hum paanch…hamare pachees. If Hindus shed their cowardice, Muslims will lose the edge they carry due to each household having so many expendable men".
(b) "If we don't resist conversions, one day we'll find ourselves to be in a smaller minority in our own country than even the Parsis".
(c) "We are doing a great favour to the Muslims of India by letting them live here when they should all have been ported to Pakistan in garbage bins in 1947".
Interesting, don't you think?
"Sometime personal experiences teach more than just reading a book."
Totally agree…"sometimes" being a key word here.
"In my post I also said that banning Chinese goods is not a practical solution and is only an awareness step towards making India self sufficient which you omitted in your response."
I agree on the banning of Chinese goods part. Contrary to popular perceptions, a lot of branded goods we use – the computers we're working on, the music players we listen to music on, the camers we capture our memories in etc. – are also manufactured in China. We could however, impose quality standards on our imports and that'll be a practically implementable solution and still hit China just as hard.
Making India self-sufficient and banning Chinese goods are two completely different things, aren't they? I'm appalled at your bunching of the two together. Are you implying that China is the only contributing nation to our imports?
Thanks for this first hand rebuttal of Debjit’s points, Sameer. I look forward to Debjit’s responses.
On the last bit, Debjit had indicated clearly that he did not oppose trade with other nations, so we must give him the benefit of doubt on that.
I find your suggestion about “quality standards” to be interventionist (it being a non-tariff barrier) and violative of the principle that the FREE INDIAN (the consumer) should choose what to buy. If Chinese rubbish is being sold in India it is because there is a demand for rubbish (it being better quality than Indian rubbish – and I can assure you that the quality of MOST Indian products is beyond shoddy – totally 10th rate).
So the point is simple: If China is subsidising its exports, let’s take advantage of its folly. Let’s LOOT China and get everything free. Do we care? We do (in the bigger picture) but not in the current context of a communist Chinese government. So enjoy China’s freebies, don’t worry about India manufacturers. They’ll thrive with increased competition.
Couple of more points:
1. RSS might be directly involved in terror activites: e.g. Malegaon, Hyderabad & Samjauta express blasts.
2. Outside India RSS operates as HSS (Hindu Sevak Sangh) like in UK and I know of few places in US also. As far as conducting Shakhas in Churches is concerned that is no credential of being a liberal. Churches have rooms available for hire and most of them do not ask questions for what purpose it is being hired out. HSS/RSS can always say that it's a social or cultural meeting.
3. I know a lot of Pracharaks of RSS and I agree with Sameer the kind of opinions that they hold.
Jai Hind
Sanjeev :While I'm still at a learning stage vis-a-vis economics and my take on economic issues is more instinctive than a product of knowledge, I do see the merit in what you say. My suggestion is no doubt interventionist to an extent. I guess a better solution would be for Indian manufacturers to get their act together and compete with their Chinese counterparts. :)
I have one comment to offer here for now, but will come back later for a more lengthy comment.
For everyone who praises the RSS for their volunteer work, and overlook their founder or other activities, would you be ready to do the same for Jaamat-ul-Dawa? That is, not be concerned about their founder or their other activities?
I read recently that one of the JuD relief camps in the flood affected districts has a hindu population of more than 10%.
cheers
Supratim
Mr Debojit
Its Very SAD from you and RSS is that you people Still Not able to Clear u r views in 60 years Whats your Exact Problem , neither You are Providing any Soultion to India Neither You Allowing any Good Man Who wants it to Make Better ,
Firstly You will Tell You want India to Make Self Sufficient , In Which economic Rule its been said a country can become prosperity with this theory ( If you Provide any Supportive here Would Love to Study on This ) If Its there also How Many Countries Has Succceeded , Whats RSS Problem If we Buy Some thing Very Cheap and Good Products from other Country ( As Sanjeev Said If any countrty wants to sell their Product Cheaply which required to us and It will be very cheap to buy rather Producing here Then Whats The Big Deal , Whats RSS problem on That )
2ndly You Talk about hindu Culture , and conversion and Aboiut Islam , Rather Being Very violent and Provocativeness Speaking You people Never Worked on Sollution , At least Try What can be done on This Problem , You people Never Worked on Educate The Hindu people Try to Demolish the Inequalities , Demolish Cast System ( as You Know Cast System Bring by British If they Can bring Why Cant we Demolish ) Bring Sollution rather Being Cribbing Hood Creating , We passed on that Stage Now is the time For Solution ,
If You Cant Provide any Solution Then You Forcefully make Us to believe You people are Big nautanki and Threat to National interest ,
As even i Served Rss as Volunteer for 3 years I left it and Didnt Joined Back as i cant see any Solution from RSS for Problem in India ,
Please Dont think in Pseudo Minded Now, If You cant Support FTI No Probem ( If its hurting you People Ego ) Provide Better Solution Than Them , We Promise We Happily Join ( I think Even Sanjeev will Agree on This )
I Hope You will …….
Sudeep
Sanjeev, sorry if my comment hurt you. You must have had your reason.But my basic point was that trying to change India from far away Australia is a bit too much.
Seeking the Truth, desire for Liberty and Tolerance are Universal values but unfortunately rare to find in any religion as practised in today's world. If at all, the Hindus have more of these, if my understanding of the violent Histories of Islam and Christianity, the two major religions today, is correct. RSS is a Hindu organization, their intolerance is a reaction to past thousand years of our History.
I agree that their understanding of economics is really low, Swadeshi resembles more of Socialism which is a disastrous doctrine. But during the 6 year BJP rule at the Centre, they hardly had any say in this respect. And in general, the BJP ruled states are doing economically better.
Your angry advice to them to join a Christian or a Muslim Charity is a bit too much. They can do as much charity as they want as Hindus and India's poor need it. But charity should aim at empowerment so that ultimately the Charity is no longer required.
What is wrong with a religious goal if it is not conversion of others by force or bribing ? Christianity and Islam whom you seem to admire have much more aggressive goals.
Lastly I only want to say is that hate is a negative emotion. It spreads negative energy and does nobody any good. Better to keep it under control.
Dear Kishan
Once again, please do try to read BFN before trying to make comments about what I do and what I don’t. You must not (and I strongly suggest that) make idle and FALSE comments about others. And do try to understand that I’m free to speak the truth and Indians are free to follow falsehood if they wish. That’s my choice (and theirs).
I don’t know what you are suggesting – that RSS is a charitable organisation? That is sheer falsehood. It is a PURELY political organisation, that mixes religion and politics. So let’s not try to justify RSS’s charity as being genuine charity. Even the slightest knowledge of RSS will show you that RSS aims purely for political power. It has also NOTHING to do with Hinduism the way I know it. It is a travesty of Hinduism. Let’s not give RSS any oxygen. I’m quite clear that RSS is no longer needed in India. What we need is an organsation that promotes liberty.
Finally, to suggest that BJP states are doing well is probably not going to stand statistical analysis. The best performance in India (relative to the low standards that India has) has been of Panjab which was run mostly by the Akalis. Then by Haryana which was run mostly by Congress. And so on. There is actually no long term correlation between any political party and economic development, since NO Indian political party has even the slightest clue about good policy. BJP has been in power for long enough to prove that it doesn’t have any intention of following good policy.
Had I thought that any existing political party would do well for India, I would not be trying for the past 13 years to establish a new classical liberal political force in India. My standards are at least 10 times higher than these parties in every respect and I do not tolerate corruption, misgovernance and socialism. If “hatred” for bad polices and bad ideas is “negative energy” so be it. Sometimes the truth must be spoken. It hurts those who fooled themselves about their “knowledge”. They need to be challenged to rise from their slumber.
I speak (and have been speaking) for India’s good for 13 years, but it is amazing how few are the people who will care to investigate this message. Being brought up as socialists or religious fanatics, they find it impossible to even listen to alternative views.
S
Sanjeev, I answered the points made by you one by one. You have given general answers.
The prosperity in Punjab and Haryana is due to the green revolution that happened decades back, even before the reluctant reforms of the early 90's. After that many states are ahead of Punjab and Haryana.
However, I my experience says that deep rooted prejudices will give all kinds of arguments, so I see no further use of this dialogue. So this will be my last response on this subject.
Kishan,
This is my blog and I get the last word. The reality is that your justification of BJP’s “performance” is untenable – and you do need to see India’s history more broadly. There is simply no doubt that Punjab, Haryana and Maharashtra, for instance, continue to be among the wealthiest states of India (leaving aside small tiny states/ UTs). Wealth is ALWAYS measured on per capita basis.
And none had any BJP rule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_by_GDP
Who is prejudiced? You or me? You who refuse to look at facts or me, who knows a bit about statistics and overall history of India?
S
@Sudeep Shetty:-
As even i Served Rss as Volunteer for 3 years I left it and Didnt Joined Back as i cant see any Solution from RSS for Problem in India.
Dear Sudeep , now tell me how many time you have been to SAKHA and which SAKHA in Banglore or any other part across the world. How many time you discussed you idea during SAKHA.
Which VIBHAG you worked with??
How many time you try to discuss you'r idea with adhivakta parishad??
How many time you try to listen to Thengdi Jee and their idea for Economy??
How many time you have seen model Village created by K N Govindaacharya Jee and many others??
How many project you have seen around the Karnatka?? Tamilnaidu??
Problem is that 3 years time is too much to work with a organization and know it's project and if the comment made by you like this.
Regards
Hitesh Kumar
@Supratim:-
Dear Supratim,
What founder your talking about can we discuss one to one??
Have you ever be in touch with them??
Do you know any of founder??
We have only one founder K. B. Hedgewar.
He founded RSS when came in contact with Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar.
Can you tell me about founder activity??
Regards
Hitesh Kumar
Dear Hitesh Ji
I really Don’t want to Discuss on This topic Any More , You are talking about BJP and RSS Economic policies and Hindutva , etc etc , We all Know Where we stand After 60 years , If you still want to see our India Like This Support them and Njoy the Hood Creation , Mosque Temples issue in next 100 Years
Here is the Hope from one party which claims to make My India 10 times Richer read it again Its 10 time richer and its not Hava Ki bathen its giving scientifically , theoretical and practical explanation and supportive for that , so iam with them and I’m ready to give my squirrel job toward my nation
I have only one question for you , what makes you to support RSS and BJP in the place of FTI , its ok No need to give the answer… I know the answer!!!! You know the answer!!!! , Please brother wake up, Accept the bitter truth
I’m not questioning any one patriotism, but the way shouldn’t be threat to our national interest, But I’m sorry and it really hurts me to say that RSS policy and way is no more required to India
Jai Hind , jai Bharat
Sudeep
@Sudeep Shetty:-
Welcome Jee.
Dear i never mention support to BJP. My single point is no need to criticize RSS.
What you say about political party i don't even care.
RSS man never left country , they are working here for society and will continue.
Rest time will tell each and everything .
With Regards
Hitesh Kumar
Why can't RSS be criticized? Are they beyond criticism? Given their misdeeds, law will soon catch-up to them.
On your other point – "RSS man never left country"; what's that about?
Only when we hold and promote the idea that first one should work for oneself first then society, can any progress be made.
Jai Hind.
Hitesh Ji
You are Going again Wrong , Me or Sanjeev any one Never Criticise RSS ,We know How RSS fought for freedom , there is lots of difference between What RSS motive , way and polices in 1930 and what is now , We criticize the way and their policies , which is not required now . they are emotional fools , what India required is scientifical solutions
@RSS man never left country , You are indirectly pinging sanjeev , i dont know what your thought towards netaji Bose , please see the intention of a people who left india and what they want to do for India , and about Time we have already waited for 65 years , i dont have any Patience any more
I wish you all the Best
Sudeep