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I got this comment on yesterday's blog post (see below). The author, like most Indians, DOES NOT DO ANY RESEARCH BUT JUMPS TO CONCLUSIONS. Apparently China is LESS corrupt than India because it hangs its corrupt. It is NOT.
The most cursory exploration of TI's corruption index will prove that point. Indeed, in 2010, China was ranked 78 from the top (3.5 out of 10), India 87 (3.3) – hardly any difference. Over the years, India and China have gone up and down in ranking – around the same area – near the bottom of the pile. Sometimes China is a little ahead, sometimes China is a little behind. Also, I'm assuming that TI can clearly see that after YEARS of 'work' it has made NO DIFFERENCE to corruption in the Third World.
That is because these "solutions" (hang the corrupt, make international laws to make giving bribes an offence) are barking up the wrong tree. NONE of these efforts have been designed to MOTIVATE good people to enter politics – or to reduce unnecessary intervention of governments in the market. All are designed to somehow punish the corrupt. But when everyone is corrupt, this solution doesn't work, since your probability of getting caught is 0.0000001.
you lost me at "NEGATIVE SOLUTIONS HAVE VERY LIMITED EFFECT". The Chinese model (though extreme by having death penalty for the corrupt) has worked. US has had corruption in its recent history and addressed it by punishing the wrong doers. I dont see how punishing a wrong doer is a negative solution. And its not easy to flood the system with "good people" when the system is filled with cut-throat street-smart "bad people". Wake up, sir, and smell the coffee. August 16 will answer doubters like you.
Seethu
It is absurd to suggest that the Chinese model has worked. All the best Chinese brains have left China. And China is BELOW India on Transparency International world rankings of corruption. [Well - not in 2010, where it is just above, but I recall has been below India in many of the past 10 years - but that is like comparing the difference between 19 and 20 in any case]Your argument that it is not easy to flood the system with good people is WRONG. Most of the developed world uses the model I’ve suggested – and that ATTRACTS good people to politics. Good people, instead of leaving India, will join politics. We only need 500 odd good people to run India (in the first instance). How hard is that?
So what is needed?
We need a governance system that
(a) encourages good people to join politics; and
(b) reduces all unnecessary government intervention in the life of the people.
That is what Hong Kong did, and it is ranked 13 with a score of 8.5 out of 10, and Singapore with a rank of 1 (score of 9.3 out of 10).
Instead of LEARNING what honest countries do, we keep following corrupt China as a role model. I suspect that socialism has DRASTICALLY REDUCED THE IQs of most "educated" INDIANS, so they can't see the facts even if these are presented RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.
And yes, we do need these negative solutions – but these can only work AFTER the positive solutions have first been implemented. You can catch a few residual mosquitoes after good people run the country. But not when EVERYONE is corrupt. Then the negative solution fails.
Thus, catching and punishing the corrupt – IN ISOLATION OF OTHER FUNDAMENTAL REFORMS – has never worked.
In fact the map of the world below clearly demarcates the Third World from the First World – by the red/deep orange colour. Red is socialist. Red is based on WRONG systems of governance. Hence corrupt. Hence poor.
(click image to go the TI website)
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@seethu IQ of "educated" Indians has been destroyed by socialists. Do read: http://t.co/Hao3HI8, assuming you can understand simple facts.
How do the "good people" get elected when "bad people" can bribe their way through every election? The "bad" need to be punished. The EC is doing a great job but we still know of corrupt people getting their way through.
Hence the way forward: fix justice system 1st and then get good people in when they can win election. Create level playing field 1st, after decades of corrupt practices.
I'm no socialist. A few good people over last decades struggled to make impact in politics. Fix the system first – this is our last chance. Good people are getting into politics but thats not the only way to solve the deep mess we're in.
Dear Seethu
Now finally you are asking the right question: “How do the “good people” get elected?”
Well, first of all by coming together based on a set of agreed policies and principles. That’s why FTI (http://freedomteam.in/). FTI’s 1 page political model: http://freedomteam.in/Notes/Political_model_of_FTI_24May2011.pdf
There’s huge amount of detail on my blog about FTI’s strategy, as well. And you can start with BFN if you wish.
Good to hear you are not a socialist. Then get your mind working clearly. Stop this fuzzy thing, and get involved in CHANGING INDIA THROUGH THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.
Don’t waste energy.
S
IAC/Jan Lok Pal is not about wasting energy, by any means :) This is an alternate way to clean up the system. Your thought is "get the good people in first". IAC's approach is "fix the system first". Both approaches have their merits and de-merits; both approaches should be done side by side.
You cant take the higher ground when your approach results in a handful of MPs/leaders who struggle to make any impact. The public is tired of waiting and hence the support for IAC.
Seethu
Wasted energy that leads to ZERO results is worse than energy conserved for a proper action.
When you build a 1000 story skyscraper, you build deep foundations. You don’t fritter energy and dig holes all over the place like stupid rabbits.
S
Interesting dynamics here. I too thought the same assumption in your solution may be flawed as Seethu. I guess the reality is – there are no magic pills.
If there are snakes in our garden, it will not be easy to plant flowers . Sure we can exterminate all snakes by airborne poison, but the land will be poisoned too. So we will need to catch the snakes one by one, move them away, plant being careful, and repeat these steps forever painstakingly..
So the real cure is elimination of our ignorance, lethargy and factionalism, and acceptance of knowledge and facts. Only then can India be a great nation, not by fudging news, data and lying to each other.